";s:4:"text";s:26642:"Still be cutting edge when the last T26 enters service? We saw what happens in Iran when the western backed dictator eventually falls out of favour with the local people. There probably isn’t the manpower anyway, as its needed for the 30% increase required for the carriers. Also noted that Dauntless is being moved back into 3 basin at Portsmouth tomorrow which should be good news. I think they are getting a domestic main radar. I would say that perhaps if the Archers were replaced with something bigger, say something similar to the RCN’s Orcas, there could be a window for getting the RNR (as it is) back to sea as a patrol service. In fact though I am happy we got the type 31 we have, but still puzzled why not more gear is being transferred across from type 23s. The newsfeed doesn't contain any items. She has been alongside in Devonport since March 2019, officially she is described as a Fleet Time (FT) unit in Long Readiness (LR). It’s their diesel upgrade I find very interesting. Her refit employed 350 Babcock staff working a total of 1 million man-hours. Although the failure to begin constructing their replacements sooner is indefensible, the £600M Type 23 LIFEX programme represents relatively good value. The Chilean Navy is planning on upgrading its three U.K.-built Type-23 frigates with U.S. anti-air missile systems, according to a notice to Congress on a potential foreign military sale. many users who like the comment voting system as it can give an indicator of general level of approval. Flying over my house. The Type 23 frigate or Duke class is a class of frigates built for the United Kingdom's Royal Navy.The ships are named after British Dukes, thus leading to the class being commonly known as the Duke class.The first Type 23, HMS Norfolk, was commissioned in 1989, and the sixteenth, HMS St Albans was commissioned in June 2002. On a radar they appear to be about the size of a good size motorboat. Good article thanks I have a question – is the RN actually writing off these vessels after decommissioning? I am not sure I agree about Ocean. You can’t get round those making the ship significantly bigger than 5000te (T22B3). HMG has always said that the next batch will get ordered early in the decade. that ladies and gentlemen doesn’t bear thinking about. However, If you disagree, then take the time to table a response. I see no logical problem in selling (at least) two T23 abroad. Some truly dedicated Trolling indeed. No question VLS is a better solution. I suspect he would be more likely to go after the carriers or nuclear submarines, although only time will tell. “19 escort” saga is not important nowadays, when it is clear at least 2 has little crew and the “T23 LIFEX season” is nearing to the end = further hulls will come back (looking for their crew). We do need to get a grip really. No. She is scheduled to be handed back to the RN in July, although the work is behind schedule. Agreed. Interesting but far beyond today’s modern RN. The Frigate Type 23-class-page contains all related products, articles, books, walkarounds and plastic scale modeling projects dedicated to this ship.. I think it will make RN claim for “more resouce” less impressive, and hence weaking RN a lot. The lack of an SSM means they would have to back off in any confrontation with an SSM equipped vessel of which the Iranians have a number. A crane is handy for loading/unloading containers,supplies, aid and unmanned vehicles/drones etc. FSC future is interesting. For the record, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, but its important to consider WHY the Blair government (Brown came in after the QEC was planned for and designed, he just signed off on it) went for such big carriers at the expense of the surface and submarine fleets. You might get the odd extra year out of the best few, but it will be an absolute last resort. An exception is ex USN warships, because the USA spends top dollar on their vessels! In other words, if LIFEX ends and still all T23 be retained, number of escorts in extended readiness will be much more than 3, even 5 at most. I would say, more the size of a large trawler 1-1.5Kt? There are two “spare” escorts RN can activate quite easily. As I said above the site owners think it is a positive. I have up voted them. They were all well under 900te complete, whereas for contrast, the big blocks were between 9000 and 12000 te. I can’t see them using Daring as a training ship, it would be a complete disgrace considering it cost £800m or thereabouts. The facility was completed in 1977 with much smaller Leander class and Type 21 frigates in mind. Type 23 frigate HMS Portland left Babcock’s Rosyth dockyard today, Thursday 13 December, to return to her base port of Plymouth at peak effectiveness following significant upgrades and improvements, after successful completion of a substantial upgrade and maintenance programme. Following on from â82 it became top billing: much reinforced in peopleâs minds by Kings Cross fire. That is targets not heading directly towards the ship just passing through the missile’s envelope. The HCFP will deliver an advanced, flexible surface combatant fleet with advanced ASW capability and a world-class layered anti-air warfare (AAW) capability based on AEGIS and Australiaâs advanced CEAFAR2 AESA radar system. Atlantic Models acessório em escala 1:350, ATAC35022 é um produto NOVO lançado em 2021 | Conteúdo, Visualizações, Avaliações, História + Mercado | Frigate Type 23-class The will was there and refits were extensive. Sep 11, 2018 - The Chilean Navy has selected Lockheed Martin Canada to upgrade combat management systems on its Type 23 frigates. If I had a say UK defence planning, I would retain 4 of these LIFEX Type23 with the 5 Type 31s. Ultimately they’re all going to be replaced by a Rail Gun as well as getting laser weapons (so long as we spend the R&D money or buy US). This option appears to have been rolled back (at least for the time being) by politicians. Sea Ceptor does have ability to attack crossing targets. Playing games instead of purchasing weapons systems-are you crazy?Do the navy really think like this? It also remains the major party of the strategy that has not been implemented……. Whilst Wolf was widely liked and known to be effective the systems behind it were a long way off what would now be a standard fit. Type 23 Duke Class Frigate . Although you could say the same of T45 except that I don’t think the Mk41 VLS is integrated into the BAE CMS yet? I agree with a lot of your points. The single most important element of the NSBS remains a long-term financed shipbuilding plan with an associated ring-fenced capital budget. Admin won’t allow any “Outing” as they are bound by the Data Protection Act. HMS Portland began her refit in early 2018 and as one of the youngest frigates, she likely required fewer repairs to her hull. If we were to bite the bullet and decommission Lancaster and Argyll could their duties be done by HMS Tamar and Spey? Spot on. Donations via PayPal towards running costs of this website would be most welcome. I wonder why BAe never developed type 23 class? Totaly. Frigates are a ship that focus primarily on attack stats. The RN will struggle to actually man a carrier battle group and maintain its other commitments. She was towed from Portsmouth to Devonport in March 2017 and began her LIFEX refit soon after. as for lack of recruits, as the RN knows in advance a shortage will accrue, perhaps a recruiting campaign now for sailors would be help[full. I have spoken with the ‘site owners’ who once again have said they think voting is a positive. I suspect the out of service dates for the Type 23s will be moved. PARIS, Feb. 25 (UPI) — Thales has been contracted to perform a midlife communications system update to Royal Navy Type 23 frigates. I thought weâre were debating Wolf vs Ceptor? She is reportedly in a very poor state and it is hard to understand why there was not a greater effort to preserve her while she was in âreduced readinessâ. Seawolf was a better system with more chance of a kill but only within a 1-2 mile radius, hardly qualifies as air defence. Unless of course the reason she’s be kept as the training vessel for so long is that she weighs in at almost 7000 tons. Although box-launched AShM’s and a bow mounted sonar aren’t currently on the cards there is plenty of space within the design to include them with minimal effort. About bloody time, she’s been sat in a drydock for God knows how long at this point. Technically we no longer have minesweepers. They are planning to revamp the site in a few month’s time. As a Babcock product, they would probably be in a good position to secure maintenance for the Type 31s, although this may be complicated by the intention to forward-deploy them overseas for long periods. We are losing 5 full spectrum warfare frigates and replacing them with 5 oversized OPV’s. That aside, we intend on having our frigates in the water until at least 2027, when the HMCS Halifax is scheduled to retire at the age of 35. Now upvoted so removed. If you ever meet Hammond you will understand what Churchill meant when said up pulled a empty taxi to 10 downing street and out got Clement Attlee . They lack the stealth capabilities of modern warships and should be replaced, otherwise they are target practice. What do you have in mind? What’s happening with the extra 3 towed sonars supposedly order? If memory serves that was in the heady days when MoD had convinced itself it could get a very capable ship for £250M on average. HMS St Albans (Age 19) I see the Downvoter is up early tonight. As an aside, if we’d built the B3 Rivers with a hanger they could have undertaken the other missions you mentioned. Assuming the Type 31e project proceeds smoothly (which is a big assumption), then frigate force numbers should just about be stable until the end of the 2020s. It’s also worth looking at the roles the RN needs to fill vs the proposed weapons/sensor fit. Why not just be able to either up vote, “like” or “agree”? RN recruitment is buoyant and the pandemic has reduced voluntary outflow for a while, but the ‘pinch points’, particularly the lack of experienced engineers and skilled trades cannot be quickly resolved. The class underwent mid-life refits which lasted 12–18 months and cost £15-20m. Multiple Downvotes all in one little period suggests, Multiple Accounts I guess. This site has no official endorsement by the RN or MoD. That being said never say never! The priority is to get the propaganda media outlets like the BBC to educate the public better which once upon a time they were good at. It is also important to keep hold of 19 ships in order to get the 19 replacements (which will ultimately have reduced manning requirements). An interesting article would be an insight & an educated guess as to how this may progress? *Age is the number of full years since launched. Completed 18-month LIFEX refit in August 2018 but will have to await the engine upgrade at a future refit. Are the football and cricket pitches sacrosanct? But, pricisely speaking, I am NOT suggesting to “reduce” the escort feet from 19 to 17. While delivering an important capability boost, the work has mostly taken longer than expected and here we look at progress to date. Refloated 8 Oct 2015. HMS Iron Duke is currently having her LIFEX and was in a particularly poor material state before it began which may extend the time required. Dont the RAN have Aegis on the Hobart Class ship? The UK by having a capable Navy and Airforce will still make us a ‘tier one’ military power. The Frigate Upgrade increases overload, weakly increases shields, and strongly increases firepower. Lockheed Martin was selected as prime contractor […] Do you think the current OSDâs will hold? At the same time, T23 seagoing days was ~140 days/year/hull on average in 2010-2014, but in 2015-2018 it is reduced to ~80 days/year/hull. But who really knows the real OSD on the 23s!. The upgrade includes new digital homing, guidance and control systems. The first Type 31 should also be operational by 2027, although unlike Type 26s, the following 4 Type 31s will arrive relatively quickly, the last being operational by February 2030. Here are some other interesting statistics to compare to the UK’s 156 tanks: Kazakhstan – 650 They of course won’t be much good as actual escorts deploying with the carrier-group but they’ll be perfectly suitable in The Gulf, on anti-piracy ops in The Indian Ocean or conducting surveillance/patrol duties in The Med working with other NATO assigned units. New engines for the Royal Navy’s frigates, Type 23 frigates – planned out of service dates. The Type 23 frigate or Duke-class is a class of frigate built for the United Kingdom's Royal Navy.The ships are named after British Dukes, thus leading to the class being commonly known as the Duke-class.The first Type 23 was commissioned in 1989, and the sixteenth, HMS St Albans was commissioned in June 2002. He is probably a lonely and tortured soul. Specifically, as to the status of tenders for new machinery such as Diesel generators and machinery control systems. The Iraqi tank forces out numbered the USA’s at that time! (Red – PGMU not planned. Type 22 had 2 launchers and 2 guidance sets. And Hammond! I think we are very poor at seizing opportunities and until the central paymaster ie the Treasury starts to look at things with an opportunistic outlook we will continue to diminish. It’s just weird to think somebody is getting off on it. Turkey – ~2500 (significant percentage probably in storage) Type 23 Frigate helicopters Iran – ~950 Excellent article. When Montrose comes home, will most likely replaced by Iron Duke out of refit. All the posts above yours received a down vote. Iron duke sounds as though she’s completely knackered. World War 2 proved that a sizeable airforce and Navy was more useful to a island nation like the UK from being invaded. Huge amounts of money required to do that – not a huge amount of return on investment. It won’t get canned in favour of T31. When the Type 26s retire from RN service, could they not be assigned to fisheries protection duties? Happens the world over in civilian as well as military organizations. As stated in the Helsinki Goals, it was always intended that allies would contribute as part of the European RRF. The Type 23M shall use the 4.5" Mark 8 Modification 2 gun,this being a modest upgrade on the 4.5" Mark 8 Modification 1 gun used by the current Type 23 frigates,with a barrel of seventy two calibres length and slower burning propellants,a more economical way to increase gun range than adopting the 5" Mark 45 gun. Probably utilising anti-mine drones etc. Maybe replace their 4.5″ gun with 57mm to give some more under deck space and weight savings for other equipment? Got some great Pics. Portland emerged from the FSC sheds in February 2020 but subsequent has progress appears to have been slow, spending most of the year in the basin. I think this decision will make RN more strong. If there are holes in the deck,there will be plenty of nearly holes as well,and I would imagine that it would take a fair amount of water to make her list.If she was in anything like reasonable condition to start off with this shouldn’t have happened.There is a high likelyhood that lots of mechanical parts are seized solid as well. The main limiting factor appears to be the availability of enough skilled people at Devonport. There is now some doubt that HMS Monmouth will have LIFEX refit at all and maybe decommissioned prematurely. RN lacks crew and money, while has surplus hulls. HMS Montrose is doing a sterling job forward-deployed in the Arabian Gulf but is not scheduled to return to the UK until 2022. Anyway, the LIFEX T23 look like a fine ship. Modern (actually old-but-modernized) T23 will be so-so attractive. They will have 12 AEGIS ships. T31 with proposed weapons fit is just an oversized opv. It will now be very challenging for Babcock to meet this deadline, perhaps unsurprising as lessons are learned with the first ship to undergo such a big upgrade. She is Too close to OSD. Apologies, I think you may be right about FAMR access route and have amended article. So those 18 USN carriers are very useful! Montrose completed a lengthy £35 Million LIFEX refit in July 2017 but has not yet received new engines. Naval News Staff 29 May 2019 HMS Westminister is the first ship to go out of service that it is also planned to recieve S2150. The Previous Thread and your Post’s and mine were Downvoted Furiously a few Nights back. The company will provide its CMS 330 system which will now be featured on four different warship classes – New Zealand Navy Anzac-class frigates, and Canadian Navy AOPS and Halifax-class ships. 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